It is the Hotmail script which is included in the app. You find it in XN's Options window already available from the dropdown list. Just enter your <user>@outlook.com account.
Indication (like a row background color) with an explanation above the list or in a title popup
That way outlook.com could be found in the Verified column, although it won't be revealed on Host sorting.
The sorting functionality is not obvious. Perhaps a remark above the list like:
All columns except for Verified are sortable by clicking on the header
And why not make the Verified column sortable also on first Verified host. By putting the less obvious on top (like outlook.com), this one can thus be found when there are only 2 Verified hosts. Another solution could be placing the Verified as first, sorted by default, column and splitting these rows in multiple rows. That way all Verified hosts also get found.
Embedded indeed is a term from the software branch. It is a system, containing software and hardware, built into a device. Litteraly it means inserted as an integral part of a surrounding whole. Personally I like the term and supported by a popup title its meaning should be obvious to anyone (also without the popup).
Built-in refers to hardware in my opinion. What about integrated or included?
Including the 'Built-in' scripts on the scripts page.
Splitting the Verified hosts in separate Host rows (renaming the present Host column to Script).
I think 1 is a good idea, but 2 might not be that good (making updating the list more complex and error-prone). It would perhaps be a better idea to keep the present Verified column and instead offer a Search function above the scriptslist enabling the user to look for a hostname (in the Verified column).
CFB would like use word 'Built-in' on download column.
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As "script column", CFB like your approach... as I post above what I use word "use Hotmail" for Outlook.com.
But jeroen set script column and avoid use "use" word.
Host is Outlook.com and Script is Hotmail AND need use word Built-in on Download Column, because people look at Host/Script with no-clickable that cause worry.
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For past 4 years, I "not exactly" understand what Tobwithu use word "verified".
Also I notice one letter "O", That mean Tobwithu actually own account (user and password for personal use) And, "-" (dash) that mean somebody provide scripts and Tobwithu put on webstie and link their email address. And, "domain" that mean somebody provide user and password for domain.
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jeroen suggest replace word "verified" with "script", it make sense to me. For Example: Host column (script) column yahoo.com (Yahoo) ymail.com (Yahoo) rocketmail.com (Yahoo) yahoo.co.jp (Yahoo) btinternet.com (Yahoo) ovi.com (Yahoo) all above is "Built-in" and put word on Download column.
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RpD suggest Script page on first column? (if yes) RpD will see all 6 Yahoo together when it sort it up, it will 'drown' host?
In Jeroen's graphic... the first Host column is the actual website that can be accessed by Script... the Script column is, well, the name of the script (and it's clickable to download).
So, I was suggesting to keep the clickable/download Script as the first column... then the new Host/website column (formerly, sort of, the 'verified' column) could be second. BUT... doesn't matter to me, whether y'all prioritize on website (host) name first, or clickable (script) column first.... BECAUSE, the whole chart is -sortable- by click on the column headers (again to reverse sort), except for 'Verified' column.
-- If website/host is first column, then users can just look down the first column for their own particular website. -- If script name is first column, then it's clickable/download first, and you can see all the websites supported (when default sorted on Script column), so when we tell someone "Just use Hotmail script", then they can jump to the Hotmail download first column.
So.... whatever.
However... two notes...
I would add a BIG notice to "Click the column headers to sort/reverse sort the chart" based on the column header clicked. Simple users/people in general/ don't seem to notice helpful hints unless it's either BIG and "in their face", or it's colored brightly.
I would also include a SEARCH function, if practical.... but personally, since it's just text (which loads fast), I'd probably have one long scrolling list, instead of a series of pages (I hate clicking next, next, next... number, number, number :p ).
Anyway... yes, 'Verified' entry is odd, but I assumed it's just the website that was used to confirm that the script is working. I wasn't aware of what "O" meant... means Tobwithu's own account used to verify?
Yes, like the Tele2.nl script: It was verified to work for zonnet.nl and tele2.nl. It also works for versatel.nl (both zonnet.nl and versatel.nl go to the same versatel.nl server), but in the absence of a versatel.nl account this was not verified.
I realised the default view should be sorted on Date (newest first), so the latest update is clearly visible. However one could decide to put (Verified) Host as first on sort event (when the Host header gets clicked). And revert to Script first on any other sort event (any other header click). To make things more obvious I added the sort icon in all column headers (greyed out on inactive state).
V = Verified O = ____________ (@Tobwithu can you explain what O stand for.) SC = Script contribution
See below that jeroen comment and I edit above. I choose SC instead of dash [-]
- = somebody provide their script (@jeroen can you write better grammar for Tobwithu? Thanks.) @jeroen Thank you for long explain in English grammar and it helpful to me and Tobwithu, because we are second language.
and Tobwithu put on top or bottom of your scripts homepage.
There will always be a subtle change of meaning depending on the choice of words in any language, which will often be difficult to explain: The script is contributed (Someone contributes a script) Someone provides a script (Someone has made a script) Someone provides for a script (Someone has delivered a script)
Simple grammar rule for English: 3d person adds an s to the verb stem in present time.
1t person singular: I deliver 2d person singular: You deliver 3d person singular: He/She/Someone delivers 1t person plural: We deliver 2d person plural: You deliver 3d person plural: They deliver
I'd suggest it's easier just to place the list of "Included with X-Notifier" scripts at the top of the Scripts page... then it's -there- for all to see all the time.
jeroen
Sun, 09/15/2013 - 04:30
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Outlook = Hotmail
It is the Hotmail script which is included in the app. You find it in XN's Options window already available from the dropdown list. Just enter your <user>@outlook.com account.
RpD
Sun, 09/15/2013 - 05:06
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Outmail ? ... Hotlook ? ;)
Maybe the script needs a name for both, ha. HotOutlookmail Oh well... Hotmail-Outlook.
And just to make painfully obvious that the username should be full outlook.com email address...
Example Username: username@outlook.com
jeroen
Sun, 09/15/2013 - 05:43
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Outlook_Hotmail
I had the same "Raging" thoughts... ;-)
And scriptname Outlook_Hotmail is not such a bad idea at all... :-)
canadianangelxo
Mon, 01/23/2017 - 10:43
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Thank you! This works
Thank you! This works perfectly!
vega
Sun, 09/15/2013 - 13:18
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thanks,
confusing indeed
jeroen
Sun, 09/15/2013 - 19:39
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Embedded scripts
@tobwithu:
Wouldn't it be a good idea to include the embedded scripts on the scripts page for users that are searching for these on the scripts page?
That way outlook.com could be found in the Verified column, although it won't be revealed on Host sorting.
The sorting functionality is not obvious. Perhaps a remark above the list like:
All columns except for Verified are sortable by clicking on the header
And why not make the Verified column sortable also on first Verified host. By putting the less obvious on top (like outlook.com), this one can thus be found when there are only 2 Verified hosts. Another solution could be placing the Verified as first, sorted by default, column and splitting these rows in multiple rows. That way all Verified hosts also get found.
CFBancroft
Mon, 09/16/2013 - 05:54
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Add word "Built-in", That what jeroen meaning
[Host] [Date] (empty) [Verfied] Built-in [Author] Tobwithu [Downloads] (empty) [Browser] [logos]
(un-clickable all host below)
Gmail
Google Apps (use Gmail)
yahoo.com
ymail.com (use Yahoo)
rocketmail.com (use Yahoo)
yahoo.co.jp (use Yahoo)
btinternet.com (use Yahoo)
ovi.com (use Yahoo)
hotmail.com
outlook.com (use Hotmail)
msn.com (use Hotmail)
live.com (use Hotmail)
aol.com
aim.com (use AOL)
daum.net
hanmail.net (use Daum)
Naver
nate.com
empas.com (use Nate)
POP3
IMAP
RSS
CFBancroft will NOT put in User Guide...
Tobwithu might need merge into your
http://xnotifier.tobwithu.com/scripts.php
INSTEAD OF
http://xnotifier.tobwithu.com/dp/node/262 (That people almost NEVER notice.)
Thanks for reading and understanding, CFBancroft
jeroen
Mon, 09/16/2013 - 10:41
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Example
Here is what I mean: http://db.tt/xvJ8gxYr
CFBancroft
Mon, 09/16/2013 - 22:27
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Embedded vs. Built-in
@jeroen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_system
For people who are advance programming they will know word "Embedded".
For basic end user and who do NOT know programming and they will not know word.
So can we use word "Built-in" that common words, instead of "embedded"?
BUT, as your layout example http://db.tt/xvJ8gxYr
I approval, BUT use word "Built-in", What do you (jeroen) think?
Thanks, CFBancroft
jeroen
Wed, 09/18/2013 - 03:04
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Embedded
Embedded indeed is a term from the software branch. It is a system, containing software and hardware, built into a device. Litteraly it means inserted as an integral part of a surrounding whole. Personally I like the term and supported by a popup title its meaning should be obvious to anyone (also without the popup).
Built-in refers to hardware in my opinion. What about integrated or included?
CFBancroft
Wed, 09/18/2013 - 09:45
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Vote for included
Thanks for better word !
jeroen
Mon, 09/16/2013 - 23:46
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Ok
I don't mind.
Btw, the example contains 2 proposals:
I think 1 is a good idea, but 2 might not be that good (making updating the list more complex and error-prone). It would perhaps be a better idea to keep the present Verified column and instead offer a Search function above the scriptslist enabling the user to look for a hostname (in the Verified column).
What do you (CFBancroft) think? ;-)
RpD
Tue, 09/17/2013 - 04:34
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(vote? ;)
I vote for a search function! ;)
(But keep renamed Script column first... then verified would actually be host verified)
CFBancroft
Tue, 09/17/2013 - 09:42
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Same layout and replace word
jeroen use word 'Embedded' on download column.
CFB would like use word 'Built-in' on download column.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
As "script column", CFB like your approach...
as I post above what I use word "use Hotmail" for Outlook.com.
But jeroen set script column and avoid use "use" word.
Host is Outlook.com and Script is Hotmail AND need use word Built-in on Download Column,
because people look at Host/Script with no-clickable that cause worry.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
For past 4 years, I "not exactly" understand what Tobwithu use word "verified".
Also I notice one letter "O", That mean Tobwithu actually own account (user and password for personal use)
And, "-" (dash) that mean somebody provide scripts and Tobwithu put on webstie and link their email address.
And, "domain" that mean somebody provide user and password for domain.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
jeroen suggest replace word "verified" with "script", it make sense to me.
For Example:
Host column (script) column
yahoo.com (Yahoo)
ymail.com (Yahoo)
rocketmail.com (Yahoo)
yahoo.co.jp (Yahoo)
btinternet.com (Yahoo)
ovi.com (Yahoo)
all above is "Built-in" and put word on Download column.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
RpD suggest Script page on first column? (if yes)
RpD will see all 6 Yahoo together when it sort it up, it will 'drown' host?
Thanks, CFBancroft
RpD
Tue, 09/17/2013 - 11:18
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Notes
In Jeroen's graphic...
the first Host column is the actual website that can be accessed by Script...
the Script column is, well, the name of the script (and it's clickable to download).
So, I was suggesting to keep the clickable/download Script as the first column... then the new Host/website column (formerly, sort of, the 'verified' column) could be second. BUT... doesn't matter to me, whether y'all prioritize on website (host) name first, or clickable (script) column first.... BECAUSE, the whole chart is -sortable- by click on the column headers (again to reverse sort), except for 'Verified' column.
-- If website/host is first column, then users can just look down the first column for their own particular website.
-- If script name is first column, then it's clickable/download first, and you can see all the websites supported (when default sorted on Script column), so when we tell someone "Just use Hotmail script", then they can jump to the Hotmail download first column.
So.... whatever.
However... two notes...
I would add a BIG notice to "Click the column headers to sort/reverse sort the chart" based on the column header clicked.
Simple users/people in general/ don't seem to notice helpful hints unless it's either BIG and "in their face", or it's colored brightly.
I would also include a SEARCH function, if practical.... but personally, since it's just text (which loads fast), I'd probably have one long scrolling list, instead of a series of pages (I hate clicking next, next, next... number, number, number :p ).
Anyway... yes, 'Verified' entry is odd, but I assumed it's just the website that was used to confirm that the script is working.
I wasn't aware of what "O" meant... means Tobwithu's own account used to verify?
Just making idle comments. :)
jeroen
Wed, 09/18/2013 - 01:21
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Verified
Yes, like the Tele2.nl script:
It was verified to work for zonnet.nl and tele2.nl.
It also works for versatel.nl (both zonnet.nl and versatel.nl go to the same versatel.nl server), but in the absence of a versatel.nl account this was not verified.
jeroen
Wed, 09/18/2013 - 01:24
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SEARCH function
I agree, RpD !!
jeroen
Wed, 09/18/2013 - 03:41
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Sortable columns
I realised the default view should be sorted on Date (newest first), so the latest update is clearly visible. However one could decide to put (Verified) Host as first on sort event (when the Host header gets clicked). And revert to Script first on any other sort event (any other header click). To make things more obvious I added the sort icon in all column headers (greyed out on inactive state).
jeroen
Wed, 09/18/2013 - 06:09
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Verified V O -
Added a small column as prefix of the Hosts column to indicate either V or O or -: http://db.tt/wnnn1JxE
CFBancroft
Wed, 09/18/2013 - 09:55
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Explain what meaning... VO-
V = Verified
O = ____________ (@Tobwithu can you explain what O stand for.)
SC = Script contribution
See below that jeroen comment and I edit above.
I choose SC instead of dash [-]
- = somebody provide their script (@jeroen can you write better grammar for Tobwithu? Thanks.)
@jeroen Thank you for long explain in English grammar and it helpful to me and Tobwithu, because we are second language.
and Tobwithu put on top or bottom of your scripts homepage.
Thanks, CFBancroft
jeroen
Wed, 09/18/2013 - 10:41
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Script contribution
Script contribution. (short and correct)
There will always be a subtle change of meaning depending on the choice of words in any language, which will often be difficult to explain:
The script is contributed (Someone contributes a script)
Someone provides a script (Someone has made a script)
Someone provides for a script (Someone has delivered a script)
Simple grammar rule for English:
3d person adds an s to the verb stem in present time.
1t person singular: I deliver
2d person singular: You deliver
3d person singular: He/She/Someone delivers
1t person plural: We deliver
2d person plural: You deliver
3d person plural: They deliver
Cheers ;-)
CFBancroft
Tue, 09/17/2013 - 23:28
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@Tobwithu, Quick Patch Job for NOW!
Dear Tobwithu,
See upper 'upper right' that listing (http://xnotifier.tobwithu.com/scripts.php )
It will solved the problem "for now".
When you (Tobwithu) have time,
you can create nice homepage per jeroen's suggest in future.
Thanks, CFBancroft
RpD
Wed, 09/18/2013 - 06:16
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Easier?
I'd suggest it's easier just to place the list of "Included with X-Notifier" scripts at the top of the Scripts page... then it's -there- for all to see all the time.